Dan: 15-Feb-2010 12:26:16
The answer to my personal ethical question on FP. I can not let us die without a try, and neither should the E-Ts. But, this must be done first for us to succeed and obtain E-T help. "We must vote to enforce our Law upon our present and past sworn leaders, then enforce them strictly upon any of these leaders who have broken our present Laws, without exception. Confession and Finking gets you some time off, not all.". Adapt, adjust, improvise, make it happen. This goes to What Must Be Done.

Dan: 15-Feb-2010 07:43:38
Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right. Isaac Asimov

Dan: 14-Feb-2010 15:04:03
The top of Front Page is turning out very interesting. When you are a spirit that knows life is created by No First Cost XCs then, my ethical obligations are to all life, not just life on Earth. But life is local, so only an absolute margin would ever raise the question that you should put your duty and loyalty to your planet second to life on planets elsewhere. This question has been hanging over me since Christmas. Our choice is simple, we publivcly agree to enforce our Law upon leaders and govern ourselves by No First Cost or we have to be let die. A disconnection is above all, a conscious, deliberate action requiring conscious cooperation of, at a minimum, the one who knows how to do the disconnection. We have had thousands of years to grow up, and as the Maya showed, apparently only extermination eliminates Three Monkey Society leaderships from any kind of "pecking order organized" big government.

Dan: 12-Feb-2010 09:18:35
Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your diagrams and equations. Albert Einstein

Dan: 09-Feb-2010 06:22:28
Market has broken, they can not figure out who they can sell their excess debt to. beautirul fan shaped top in dailyu to day, the '8' has started. The Fed has stopped buying, they can not add to balance sheet as they zre being sured and audited. the skinning has begun. God willing.

Dan: 07-Feb-2010 11:36:37
Accountable to all life, not just life on Earth, that is the implication of discovering and showing why there is a most heinous crime in a democracy, i.e. any sworn leader tolerating, ignoring, helping, or covering up another sworn leader's crime. In a democracy we are free willed equals before the Law, just as we are in the eyes of God. Self aware civilization is based upon its citizens all knowing what the worst crime is, because it defines objectively our responsibilities to each other. By inspection, a planet or society that does not publicly choose to enforce this Law ruthlessly upon their criminal leaders once this worst crime is publicly discovered has chosen to be pathologically anti-life.

Dan: 06-Feb-2010 09:46:47
To FP, my entry thesis. "Why Democrats, especially Obama are showing by their deliberate inactions that they are consciously committing the worst crime possible in a democracy. It is each citizens fundamental civic duty to remove these heinous criminals from office and prosecute them ASAP."

Dan: 04-Feb-2010 12:15:43
Goedel showed that it took a piece of your mind = your physical base self(spirit) to think/see yourself, necessarily leaving part of yourself unseen thus proving you could always see/think something true you could not prove or predict apriori. That is obviously true, yet can easily create a way to see ourselves accurately by creatingt "Objective facts and observations = scientific observations organized logically by cause and effect. Yes we can, Goedel's proof only works for individuals who work alone = not conscious that we can lonly stay alive by exchange.

Dan: 03-Feb-2010 13:29:07
Liberty is what this is about: Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves." Henry David Thoreau

Dan: 03-Feb-2010 13:20:34
The question I answered if we prefer life to death: "All sciences are now under the obligation to prepare the ground for the future task of the philosopher, which is to solve the problem of value, to determine the true hierarchy of values." Friedrich Nietzsche

Dan: 02-Feb-2010 13:17:21
Sent to: Geoff Haselhurst & Karene Howie at spaceand motion.com, "Hi, you are right, but that raises this question: a base activity, a base cause to all phenomena implies, "How does a base causal activity in a "circle based geometry universe" objectively(eye witness verified) work(show cause and effect subject to public challenges from anyone = real science), and how do we write the base equation that generates this geometry from itself, apriori; which will show us the fundamental causal edges of creating and maintaining life in our eternal universe. My name is Dan Alter. I am a scientist. I try to discover equations that describe heretofore unexplained phenomena. I have more than one under my belt. There is a base equation that describes where we are and how we can move about within our Moebius Strip Geometry universe. Writing this eq. means we can describe how we create life through exchanges between one another. It is near the tip of my tongue. You can go here http://www.no1stco stlist.com/index.p hp to the only possible public scientific internet interface. A question would be nice. I have been putting off reading about Leibniz and thus about you. Thank you, clearly and beautifully said. "

Dan: 02-Feb-2010 11:02:34
Three Monkey Society(3MS) leaders are aless than 10% of population, it is our ignorance of how they sieze control of a government and society that maintains them in existence coupled with unconscious own cost minimization. Most people are honest and want to do the right thing. The E-Ts have judged us to be ignorant savages and will let us die unless I do my job. Faint heart never won fair lady nor filled a flush.

Dan: 31-Jan-2010 05:52:06
The 2nd para Top FP starts with a question, "Why won't other sworn public leaders agree to be acfountable to All with the eitght of us?

Dan: 28-Jan-2010 14:48:34
Up until Christmas, i was pushing hard to get our astronomers to verify the asteroid conjunction(s). Now I can not make myself finish. I have a moral problem, should I do the disconnection?

Dan: 28-Jan-2010 14:32:25
Are Three Monkey Society acting consciously. The answer I am afraid is no. Our leaders are just as much Own Time Cost Minimizers as our ordinary honest citizens; BUT they have "shoving accountability for the costs of their actions onto others" down pat.

Dan: 27-Jan-2010 14:53:29
The reason that this warning of a certain objectively verifiable catastrophic danger to Earth that can be prevented has not been verified is because we are governed by a 3MS.

Dan: 27-Jan-2010 14:46:23
Why would anyone choose to be accountable to everyone else for their public words and related deeds? For choosing to do that is a moral choice, a doing and choosing between good/bad, a plus/minus good for all public words and deeds. Ergo, to promote the General Welfare. Later we can discuss the crossover between public and private, but for now Public = starting with true accessible by anyuone public record kept in continuous increasing sequence clock based upon the best and highest frequency substance available = the best clock we can make. This public recording interface for our reports and the questions, challenges, and ultimately confirmatios or rejections is a No 1st Cost List. The second thing we must have to make this an objective moral choice is the answer to a two part question: First, what is this objective measure and since moral choices take place through time, then how do we meassure it with a clock? The second part is how do we use this measure? The Objective Measure of Value Creat4d by Exchange is of course Your Time Alive In Your Body(anybody out there not normally prefer staying alove right now?) = One unit of Time Alive per unit Time as mesured by the speed of light = c. Noitce we just plugged ourselves into e=mc^. Since your Time alive is common to everything your life form does; then the real auestion is, How do we each use the 24 hours a day we all count our units of time alive with? Why JUST AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, because when you take to long to get what you need to stay alive with, you bdie. You my fellow life form, are an uncoscious Own Time Cost Minimizer, and uncoscious as we all know, is a good way to become dead quickly. I have an Objective Warnig for you to check out.

Dan: 24-Jan-2010 12:11:58
Edit top FP, added lead in to def of "objective&qu ot;. Finish with why we are a society lead by psychpaths, = we are uncivil = tolerate most heinous crime, remedy, prosecute them now.

Dan: 24-Jan-2010 01:27:15
Market is going down on increasing volume. Ain't elections wonderful. Next the filibuster goes and then, smash. The people are going to crush our Three Monkey society leaders. We will see. Our ony chance of pulling off a disconnection.

Dan: 16-Jan-2010 09:11:22
This Massachusetts senatorial election may be our precipitating event. The Republican is up 50 to 46%. Everyone is seeing it as a referendum on Dems healthcare, it is; but more fundamentally, it is on dems not enforcing accountability and the bailouts and sell outs. My oh my, will Obama and dems get religion and put some 3MS leaders in jail. Methinks so. Ain't elections wonderful. The market will despise this.

Dan: 15-Jan-2010 11:04:54
Our citizens are starting to realize accountability starts at the top. Liability must be enforced upon leaders.

Dan: 13-Jan-2010 11:09:29
Strange, I made the crucial change on FP, I changed you to I. Plus some good news on our public discourse, On gay marriage, some consrvatives are arging the 'equal protection' clause of constitution. How nice.

Dan: 11-Jan-2010 07:28:11
Eq. Start at zero, end at zero.

Dan: 04-Jan-2010 13:28:37
We either pull together, or we die together.

Dan: 24-Dec-2009 15:48:20
Space.com moved "Which two..." to Unexplained forum. Ugh!, I wish they would grow up. Bite my tongue. They asked some rational questions at least.